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Article: 13071 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8.0 files/installation?
Date: 15 Dec 2001 13:14:48 -0500
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In article <GoD8FM.xu@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us>,
fred smith <fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
: > I'm still in a quandary about how to package C-Kermit 8.0.
: > Previously it came with all sorts of .ini, .txt, and other files,
: > which few people wanted or knew what to do with.
:
: I've always had a couple of issues with the way C-Kermit is distributed:
:
: 1.) all the files in one big directory. Breaking them up in to a few
: subdirectories would make a lot more sense (someone else in this thread
: mentioned VAX-isms, is this perhaps what he was referring to?). E.g.,
: the top level might have the makefile and sources, a subdir for docs,
: another subdir for ini files/samples, another subdir for scripting
: examples/tools, etc.
:
This is an option with the new "make install" target:
make DESTDIR=/opt/kermit BINDIR=/bin SRCDIR=/src INFODIR=/doc install
: 2. The filenames, especially for the human-readable files, are weird and
: anything but understandable to someone who isn't in the know (hence the
: suggestion above for a 'manifest'). I understand we're trying to fit
: into brain-damaged filesystems that only support short names, but....
:
There's a 20-year history behind those names, but worse than that, there
are innumerable references to them. Changing the names and all the
references would be a very big job, and we have plenty of other big jobs
that are more urgent. By the way, the strange naming conventions are not
only so the names will fit on short-filename systems, but also to keep
related files grouped together and easily selected by simple wildcards when
they are all collected into a single flat file system. An example of such
a system is the industry standard ANSI Labeled Format D tape, which to this
day is the only cross-platform tape format. Granted we don't do a much
tape distribution any more but now you know the history :-)
: I don't mind the size of the archive, it's not that awfully big as source
: packages go these days. True, it won't fit onto one floppy, but I doubt
: it would even if all the "fluff" was removed.
:
Well, let's try the new arrangement I proposed yesterday, and the new
"make install" target. It's pretty simple, yet pretty flexible.
- Frank